Thursday, November 30, 2023

Riddell/Riddle Family Londonderry, Northern Ireland to Londonderry, New Hampshire:  Riddell Genealogy authors GT Ridlon versus William Pitt Riddell:  When did the Riddell Family come from Scotland? When did they go to America? What are some issues neither author addresses? What does Walter Riddell Carre in his book Border Memories say about the Irish branch of Riddle/Riddell?

1. Ridlon, G. T. (1884). History of the Ancient Ryedales: And Their Descendants in Normandy, Great Britain, Ireland, and America, from 860 to 1884, Comprising the Genealogy and Biography for about One Thousand Years of the Families of Riddell, Riddle, Ridlon, Ridley, Etc. United States: Higginson Book Company. Google  Books. https://www.google.com/books/edition/History_of_the_Ancient_Ryedales/OR2zUvQKGsIC?hl=en&gbpv=1

I have a major problem with the credibility of Ridlon for the following reasons: 

  • Ridlon ignores Northern Irish history such as the impact of the Irish Rebellion in 1641 and his claimed lineage for the Londonderry, NH branch matches none of the documentary evidence.
  •  Ridlon assumes my Riddle line was in the city Londonderry during the siege (no documentary evidence proves this such as tax lists, port records etc) and before the siege as early as 1641 in Londonderry County. 
  • Ridlon assumes that the Londonderry, NH branch came to Northern Ireland sometime in the 1600s.  Another issue is the departure year from Londonderry, Londonderry County, Northern Ireland to Londonderry, New Hampshire in 1719 with others from the same area who were in the Governor Shute petition to settle Londonderry, NH. Riddle does not appear on this list as signer of the petition.  

2.  RIDDELL, W. P.. A Genealogical Sketch of the Riddell family including a list of the descendants of the three brothers Hugh, Gawn, and Robert, who came to America in 1737. United States: n.p., 1852. Google Books. https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Genealogical_Sketch_of_the_Riddell_fam/uh1YAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1

For a full discussion and other reasons why WP Riddell's version of the Riddell genealogy is probably more likely to be correct see "The Mystery Parish of Ballymeath" the 2020 updated and revised version was written by Gwynn Socolich. If you want a copy of this leave a comment with your email address and I will send it to you. The  old 2010 version is online at: at https://gsocolic.tripod.com/The_Mystery_Parish_of_Londerry_Ballaymeath_.pdf

  • The earliest mention of Riddle is in 1720 as a sheriff in Londonderry City, Londonderry, Northern Ireland this corresponds with WP Riddell's claim that his branch (which is my branch too) came at the end of the seige of Derry (aka Londonderry) and with King William's (of Orange) Army to Northern Ireland and possibly participated in the Battle of the Boyne. (There may be more information on who fought in King William of Orange's regiments.  This information is not online and is located in the  Orange Order library https://www.orangeheritage.co.uk/)
  • WP Riddell does not address Robert Riddle's  arrival date in 1729 but there is a witness named Robert Riddle on a will of Jessie Christie (who is in the Aiken family line who intermarried with the Riddle family in Bedford, NH)

So, since the WP Riddell book was published earlier than Ridlon's book and is written by a reputable MD and his brother William Pitt Riddell who was also an MD as editor and WP Riddell does not make unfounded assumptions or guesses like Ridlon does, I would say that the WP Riddell book is more reliable based on author credibility and accuracy of information in the two books. 

Neither book addresses the possibility of forced transportation to America resulting from criminal actions, prisoners of war or because of Covenantor beliefs (such as was the case with Archibald Riddell who was transported to New Jersey and Hugh Riddell transported from Leith/Edinburgh, Scotland for stealing silver buttons to New York.) 

Also, neither book mentions the Comber, Down Riddell family. This family went to Belfast and started a large manufacturing operation and were major financial supporters of Queens' College. 

However, WP Riddell's book mentions the following: In Walter Riddell Carre's . Border Memories: Or, Sketches of Prominent Men and Women of the Border. United Kingdom: J. Thin, 1876. (Google Books on page 202) Walter Riddell Carre writes "I have some information about the descendents of the old house who flourish in Ireland, as well as America, but I cannot say how or when they came off the parent tree." Walter Riddell Carre (page 203) comments that the the Riddells and Morrisons intermarried and that these Morrisons were involved in the battle of Worcester.  




Thursday, April 20, 2023

Last month, I virtually attended "The Power of the People-Voices via Petitions" presentation given at Rootstech 2023. 

I discovered petitions while I was researching the Riddell family of Londonderry, Northern Ireland who immigrated to Londonderry, NH in 1739.   No Riddle family members are listed in 1708 when the petition to Governor Shute was submitted before the Presbyterian congregation went to Londondery, NH or Nutfield. So, it is a strong possibility that Robert Riddle was not amongst the group.  Gordon T. Ridlon in his largely unsourced Riddell/Riddle Genealogy, assumes that they did immigrate at that time while the Governor Shute petition is evidence that Robert Riddle and his two brothers came later. 

Robert Riddle is in Londonderry, NH by 1739 as he is witness to the will of Jesse Christie and ten years later he is appointed surveyor of Highways. Robert Riddell's youngest child was born 1750.

Another reason to distrust Ridlon is that none of the "Riddels Ballaymeath " branches occur at the same time and place as he claims. Also, Ridlon factors in some events of Irish history and totally neglects other facts regarding historical events.   For example, Ridlon claimed that the Riddle family was involved in the seige of Derry, inside the city.  No documents recorded at the time such as port books, freeman lists, apprentice lists or Londonderry Corporation minute books show this.  His reason for not clarifying anything is that without citing sources says on page 19 that many of the Northern Irish (Ulster Scots) came from Roxburghshire, Glen-Riddell (same branch) or Argylshire. Note, Argylshire is considered part of the highlands and under the conditions for plantations set forth by King James, this would not be one of the locations allowed to come and settle in Ulster as part of Londonderry plantation.  

I'm still working on my Riddell from Northern Ireland Research Project.  I'm tracing known (through documentation) ancestors of collateral lines who married into the Riddell family and settled in Londonderry, NH with the Riddells at the same time in 1739.  Earlier Londonderry, NH settlers cannot be ruled out like the Christie family, Taggart family and the Morrisons. More updates on this to follow.

1 Ridlon, Gideon Tibbetts. History of the Ancient Ryedales: And Their Descendants in Normandy, Great Britain, Ireland, and America, from 860 to 1884. United Kingdom: The author, 1884. https://www.google.com/books/edition/History_of_the_Ancient_Ryedales/hLFOAAAAMAAJ?hl=en  p. 19; 193-196; 740 (Irish Riddells: list looks like its from Griffiths Valuation? none are From Londonderry.  For my revised and updated report the "Mystery parish of Ballymeath" updated 2020 see my contact info.

2 Riddell-Carre, Walter; Border Memories (Northern Irish Riddell married Morrisons p. 202-203) https://www.google.com/books/edition/Border_Memories/Xm2lGvlRRvgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=Ireland

3 Reports from the Commissioners. United Kingdom: n.p., 1836. page 1115 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Reports_from_the_Commissioners/om9bAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=King+James+Plantation+Conditions+inland+Scotland&pg=PA1115&printsec=frontcover

Boyd, William, Rev. Governor Shute Petition https://www.nhhistory.org/object/268056/petition-to-his-excellency-the-right-honourable-colonel-samuel-shute-1718-march-26   Scan of original document.

Friday, February 24, 2023

Research and Resources for the Riddell/ Riddle project of Scotland, Northern Ireland and Londonderry, New Hampshire.

 

Research Checklist (some can be searched using Google Books if URL is not provided)
Scotland

  • Edinburgh Parliament; Records of Scottish Parliament: 1707 http://rps.ac.uk Records of the Scottish Parliament to 1707.Internet online. : A1593/4/12 John Riddell of Rutherglen: Burgh Scotland’s People Advanced Search, Legal, Testamentary (Wills) URL


  • Acts of Suderunt: p. 118 Hugh Riddell sent to American Plantations 20 July 1675; brother is John Riddell merchant in Edinburgh. Hugh Riddell is described as young (accused of stealing). Research Question: Is it possible that this Hugh went to Northern Ireland instead with brother John Riddell?The Acts of Sederunt of the Lords of Council and Session, from the 15th of January 1553 to the 11th of July 1790. United Kingdom: Neill and Company, 1790. Google Books. https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Acts_of_Sederunt_of_the_Lords_of_Cou/rjrhPQ1DMxUC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=Riddell
Londonderry, Northern Ireland (note sources for County Down will be in a later post except for the Montgomery Manuscripts source citaiton)

Derry Cathedral and Templemore. Register of Derry Cathedral 1642 to 1703: digitized printed book. Find My Past database. Accessed Feb 15, 2022 with subscription (expired March 2022)
Dobson, David; Scotch Irish Links 1575-1723 Part 3 Clearfield Publishing: San Diego Genealogical Society. Book.
Downham's Visitation Book URL
Green, Samuel Swett. The Scotch-Irish in America: A Paper Read as the Report of the Council of the American Antiquarian Society, at the Semi-annual Meeting, April 24, 1895, with Correspondence Called Out by the Paper. United States: C. Hamilton, 1895. Saved to google books (Genealogy) https://www.google.com/.../The_Scotch.../eIs6AQAAMAAJ...
Genealogy of the Family of James Orr of Ballyback ( Gawin Orr of Castlereagh. George Hill appears in Montgomery mss p. 66, periodical: Journal for the Association of memorial for the dead in Ireland. (Hannah)( Montgomery Manuscripts: https://digital.nls.uk/histories-of-scottish-families/archive/94811202 ; https://archive.org/details/montgomerymanusc00montuoft, https://archive.org/details/montgomerymanusc00montuoft (COUNTY DOWN)
Gillespie “Annals of Londonderry” cited in https://www.google.com/books/edition/Ordnance_Survey_of_the_County_of_Londond/Bl4NAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 Larcom, Thomas Aiskew., Colby, Thomas. Ordnance Survey of the County of Londonderry. Ireland: Published for H. M. Government, Hodges and Smith, 1837. Google Books

Hanna, Charles Augustus. The Scotch-Irish: Or, The Scot in North Britain, North Ireland, and North America. United Kingdom: G.P. Putnam's Sons, 1902. Google Books from the University of California. ;Hannah, Volume I: Scots Irish Page 493 in document and page 507/1246 digital: Bell is found in town of Ballymoney; 1606-1617. Volume I https://www.google.com/.../The_Scotch.../JBugDAEACAAJ...
( see Calendar and patent Rolls: James I (p. 526,529) settled James Montgomery’s estate. The descendants in the female line from James Orr and Janet M’Clement of Bally black intermarried with the families of Riddle of Comber, Thomson of Newtownards..Paterson of Moneyrat Stewart of Clontinacaly, Hamilton of Ballykeel, (Malcolm of Bootan, Malcolm of Moat) (Hanna citing Montgomery MSS p66) https://digital.nls.uk/histories-of.../archive/95233887...
Hill, Rev George. An Historical Account of Plantation in Ulster at commencement of 17c 1608-1620 by (Belfast 1877) https://www.google.com/books/edition/An_Historical_Account_of_the_Plantation/C_Y0kIeJMJcC?hl=en&gbpv=0
Hill, Rev George Editor; The Montgomery Manuscripts: (1603-1706). Ireland: Publisher: J. Cleeland, 1869. Page 67 https://www.google.com/.../The_Montgomery.../FZ_RAAAAMAAJ...;
O'Hanlon, John. Irish-American History of the United States. United States: P. Murphy, 1907. Google Books from the University of Michigan https://www.google.com/.../Irish_American.../uq9WAAAAMAAJ...

Public Records Office of Northern Ireland: Proni Name Index URL Northern Ireland, Public Records office: Armagh County, Landed estates Counties: Armagh, Fermanagh, Londonderry and Tyrone: FHL British Film 1279325-Item 2 (County Down) Draft sectional list of records of administration of Landed Estates. Family Search catalog entry (check to see if this has been digitized)

1615 Pynnar survey report
Rev dr. Reid: History of Presbyterian Church in IRE.

Robinson, Philip; Plantation of Ulster. Gill and McMillian 1984. (Link + Interlibrary loan to Public Library Mission Branch from the Santa Clara University Library in 2022)
Parliament in London: Burgesses of Derry and Coleraine. Search
Philips Manuscripts (Londonderry) (from Book in Oceanside Link plus source citations
Perceval-Maxwell, M., The Scottish Migration to Ulster in the Reign of James I: Scottish to North Down: Montgomery: Comber.
Perceval-Maxwell, M.. The Scottish Migration to Ulster in the Reign of James I. United Kingdom: Ulster Historical Foundation, 1990. (https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Scottish_Migration_to_Ulster_in_the/CBFDEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 Google Books Preview


Sources Examined for Riddell/Riddle Research Project

Bleaden, G. A Concise View of the Origin, Constitution, and Proceedings of the Honorable Society of the Governor and Assistants of London of the New Plantation in Ulster: Within the Realm of Ireland, Commonly Called the Irish Society. United Kingdom, 1842. Google Books from Harvard University.
Dickson, RJ. Ulster Emigration to Colonial America, Routledge and Kegan Paul London 1966. Public Library, Mission Branch, Book retrieved through Link + system Interlibrary Loan: San Francisco Public Library 325.241D56U
Fasti Ecclesae Scotland Ministers at Church of Scotland from Reformation, Internet Archives URL
Ford, Henry Jones. The Scotch-Irish in America. United Kingdom: Princeton University Press, 1915. P. 32. Digital Book: Google Books: University of California (https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Scotch_Irish_in_America/5iJCAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Scots+Irish+Author:+Ford&printsec=frontcover

Hanna, Charles Augustus. The Scotch-Irish: Or, The Scot in North Britain, North Ireland, and North America. United Kingdom: G.P. Putnam's Sons, 1902. Google books: the University of California. Page 341 https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Scotch_Irish/GnaAAAAAIAAJ?hl=en
Hanna, Scots Irish in North America, Britain and Ireland Volume I


Chichester submits to Privy Council: Certain Notes of Rememberances Touching the Plantation and Settlement of Escheated lands in Ireland. A year later in March 1609 “Orders and Conditions to be Observed by Undertakers” and Chichester survey:

"Orders and Conditions to be observed by undertakers" settlement under King James:

Hibernica: or, Some antient places relating to Ireland ..


Statistical Survey of the County of Londonderry (Northern Ireland)


Mcafee, Bill. 1630 Muster Rolls for Estates in Co. Londonderry [D1759/3/C/2 or MIC637/10] http://www.billmacafee.com/1630m.../1630musterrollsderry.pdf; (digital page 50 of 65) Subsidy Rolls: 1662 http://www.billmacafee.com/1660s.../1662subsidyrollsname.pdf
Metcalf, Henry Harrison Probate Records of the Province of New Hampshire: Volume 2:1718-2740 State Papers Series Volume 22 ed. By Henry Harrison Metcalf. Digital Book: page https://archive.org/.../probaterecor.../page/758/mode/2up...

Ponsonby, E. Index to the Prerogative Wills of Ireland, 1536-1810. Ireland: 1897. [note this seems to be missing Londonderry County but some Ulster areas are mentioned, note this is an index. Also it does not include Riddell, Riddle, Riddel or Ridel. ] https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/61640/

Roulston, William J.. Researching Scots-Irish Ancestors: The Essential Genealogical Guide to Early Modern Ulster, 1600-1800. Ireland: Ulster Historical Foundation, 2005.page 3-4. GoogleBooks:
Index to Administration, Wills and Probate 1801-1858

Robinson, Philip; Plantation of Ulster. Gill and McMillian 1984. (Checked out via Link + Public Library Mission Branch from the Santa Clara University Library in 2022) Book.
Londonderry
Nutfield: Londonderry NH: Sources used:


Bolton, Charles Knowles. Scotch Irish Pioneers in Ulster and America. Heritage Books, 2007 (Book owned by author)1910 (original publish date). (Bolton [page ]) Appendix VI: Hometowns of Ulster Families 1691-1718 (page 340-377) Online Version: 1910 https://www.google.com/.../Scotch_Irish.../PSJCAAAAIAAJ...; page 247, see Morrison in families who married into Riddell family. [Bolton 251-254]; Bolton references Parker’s History of Londonderry. (Bolton 199) Bolton refers Shute petition signer of 1718 as Thomas Grow as one of those who remained in Andover.
1732 March 12, Warrant authorizing James McKeen, John Archibald, John Wallace, JESSIE CHRISTY,
Mary Campbell ackn 1733 of 75 pound dew in full interest of her former husband James Hunter.(page 461)
(see “Scope” section, Patrick Douglass all of Londonderry to divide the estate among six surviving children: Adam Junter, John Hunter, Elizabeth Hunter, Agnes Hunter, Mary Hunter, James Hunter (page 466)
Portsmouth, Dec 7 1753 then John Archibald, John Wallis and Jessie Christee (Christie) that they divided within land to the heirs of James Hunter. (page 466)
Early Records of New Hampshire pages 461, 466 ; Plat Survey of division on page 467-468.

3 Nov 1755 “Pew Rent List” Hugh Riddle, Pew Rent List: Seats in Londonderry Meetinghouse, Google Books [page 260] Also, appearing on the same list is Jessie Christy, James Clark, John Bell, James Anderson, John Morrison, Mathew Clerk, Edward Aiken, David Dickey and Patrick Douglas. [Early Records of New Hampshire]
Holland, JG; The History of Western Mass :https://www.google.com/books/edition/History_of_Western_Massachusetts/zTszAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1 We would expect to see Londonderry or Nutfield, Rockingham, MA in this book but it does not appear. [ My comment: It is interesting that JG Holland neglects to mention Nutfield, Londonderry, New Hampshire in his book. Parker in his History of Nutfield (Londonderry) in his book explains that the Worcester Ulster Scots did not stay long because they were forced to rent their farmlands versus owning their own which was the big draw to go to Londonderry, NH. It is possible that Robert Riddle stayed at Worcester for a while (before migrating to Nutfield aka Londonderry, NH.) ]
New Hampshire State Papers; Probate Records of the Province of New Hampshire Volume 3: 1749 State Papers Volume 33 page 264-265. https://www.google.com/.../Provincial_and.../afs7AAAAIAAJ...
[Note: Carlsbad Georgina Cole Library has Great Migration 1634-1635 Robert Charles Anderson]

New Hampshire State Archives
Petitions: Search for Riddell and Riddle for Londonderry, NH (surnames that intermarried with Riddle or Riddell, like the Morrisons and Wilsons may also be found in Windham aka Wyndham, CT)
Click on the Index to Petitions at the New Hampshire State Archives ca. 1680 -- 1819

[Note: Petition not included in the Index to Petitions at the New Hampshire State Archives ca. 1680 -- 1819; Signers of the Shute Petition: Riddle is not included in any of the lists (Parker’s Londonderry has the proprietors list on pp. 322-326; New Hampshire Town Papers, Vol. IX, p. 484.)]

Parker, Edward Lutwyche. The History of Londonderry, Comprising the Towns of Derry and Londonderry, N. H.. United States: Perkins and Whipple, 1851. https://www.google.com/.../The_History_of.../8H-YOoZSdCMC...

BEDFORD, New Hampshire
(Robert’s Brothers moved here: Gawn ) Robert Riddell never lived in Bedford.

Bedford, N.H., The diary of Matthew Patten of Bedford, N.H. : from seventeen hundred fifty-four to seventeen hundred eighty-eight. Bedford, N.H.: The town, 1903. Provo, UT: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004. https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/23193/images/dvm_LocHist008938-00001-1?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=cvf7352&_phstart=successSource&pId=304&rcstate=dvm_LocHist008938-00159-1%3A321%2C2701%2C532%2C2745

Resources/References: Internet Websites
https://www.scgsgenealogy.com/.../irish-group-searchlist... Irish Special Interest Group links at the Southern California Genealogical Society.
http://downsurvey.tcd.ie/history.html Down Survey context with detailed timeline

First list of Scottish allotments 14 sept 1609: Vol VII Register of Privy Counsel of Riddell Family of France England Scotland and America
http://www.billmacafee.com/sourcesestaterecords.htm use with Griffiths and civil records.
http://www.billmacafee.com/18centurydatabases.htm 1740 Protestant Householders' Returns, 1766 religeous census
http://ancestryireland.com/.../pocke.../5.%20Williamite.html Williamite war included the Siege of Ulster 21 March 1689
Lewis, Lovina; DAR Application, DAR number 212947 (photocopy owed by Gwynn)


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Friday, August 6, 2021

Research Notes for Jeremiah Alexander Sankey (father of Thomas Daniel Sankey) and Research Warning about three different men named Jeremiah Sankey in Centre County at the same time

I need to do more work on this line but here are my research notes so far: 

Cowden Gilliland History 1915 by Robert Cowden book entry for Jeremiah Alexander Sankey: birth and death dates match.3 Centre County Militia 1862. [This is probably Jeremiah Alexander Sankey]1  

Attended Sinking Creek in 1801: Jerimiah Alexander Sankey was listed as member of congregation from 1803-1810.1 (Need to look for original membership list for Sinking Creek church)

(Jerimiah and Thomas bought land together: part of the John McConnel tract: March 19, 1801)1 [Note: This might be Jeremiah Sankey grandfather and Thomas Sankey, great grandfather of Jeremiah Alexander Sankey] 1870 Census: Jeremiah Alexander Sankey (listed as Hotel Keeper in Snowshoe, Centre Co. PA) with Lydia A. his wife and Joseph Hudson (age 3) as well as Thomas D [Daniel] Sankey age 1.2 Jeremiah A. Sankey, Harris Twp., 3/3/1846, brothers are James, Thomas, William Sisters: Catherine Gilliland, Jane Sankey, Margret Gilliland, Abagail Sankey. Ex: Geor. Jack Witnesses: John Lourimore, John Hasson4 (THIS IS MY DIRECT ANCESTOR) Militia, The Draft. Sankey, Jeremiah (Jeremiah Alexander) of Snowshoe township (also in Linn's History of Centre County)5 THIS IS MY DIRECT ANCESTOR: Jeremiah Alexander Sankey b. 1842, PA Age 38; Occ: Worked in Mine; Married, White, Jere. Sankey (HOH) relation self, mother's birthplace PA; father's birthplace: PA 

1. Book- Linn History of Centre County and Clinton Counties: Linn, John Blair Gen 974.82 Hi LIN: Carlsbad Genealogical Library p. 135, 404, 405 Date: June 12, 2000 

2. 1870 Census, Census Place: Decatur, Clearfield, Pennsylvania FHL Film: 1255116 NA Film number T9-1116 Page no. 347B6 

3. Cowden Gilliland History 1915 by Robert Cowden (Google Books)

4. Wills of Centre County, PA. Heritage Quest, p. 232 

5. amp;lt;http://digitalnewspapers.libraries.psu.edu/APA26309/PrintArt.asp?SkinFolder=civilwar> Publication: The Democratic Watchman; Date 1863 Aug 14; Sec: None; page number 2 

6. amp;lt;http://www.familysearch.org> Individual Record. 1880 Census transcription 

Research Warning:

There were three Jeremiah Sankeys (one has the middle name of Asher not Alexander) in the Pennslvania Archives, Civil War cards: in Centre County during the time of the Civil War:

1. Jeremiah Alexander Sankey is born in 1842 he would have been 18 in 1863 or 22 in 1865. Can't find any record of my Jeremiah Alexander Sankey 's Civil war service?? Possibly listed in Centre County Militia 1862 (According to the Linn History of Centre County) Jeremiah Alexander Sankey served in the militia. (MY DIRECT LINE)

2. Jeremiah Sankey is 27 years old in 1864 (as corporal) Company L- Regement 3, Artillery, 4-752 Bates reference (this one was a shoemaker and deserted on July 22, 1865) 

3. Jeremiah Asher Sankey is 25 years old in 1862, the card records him dying at City Point, VA 3-25-1865 of wounds received in action, from Potter's Mills, PA (1st Serg.) Company F- Regiment 3, Artillery, 4-597 Bates ref (this one was a Farmer from Potter) ALSO you may want to go through and check the counties listed for the years for Centre because it may have changed a few times: county origination dates are on the PA archives website. (NOT MY DIRECT LINE: COUSIN TO JEREMIAH ALEXANDER)